import oil filter shorter neck????

[JP] · Post by **[JP]** » Wed Mar 14, 2007 12:30 am

Well... I followed what was written on the manual.. put 3L in, start the bike, run for a bit and then top up to the specified level.

after a few days I checked again to see if the oil level was still in the same place and it was.

now today after seeing this thread I went to check and it isnÃƒâ€šÃ‚Â´t....
anyway, I will check again tomorrow before taking the bike to work....

rct · Post by **rct** » Wed Mar 14, 2007 8:56 am

ok peeps if you look on page 36 of the manual in the download section you will see what i mean by the oil filter neck should not be covering the hole to the engine.
plz see pic i have uploaded then you will see what i mean.
if you look at the area where the filter meets the hole that goes towards the engine you will see that it should not be covering the hole at any point.

burty · Post by **burty** » Wed Mar 14, 2007 9:33 am

The theory is sound, it's just whether there is any difference between filters on native vs import models that is in question. The same problem affects both surely.

I can believe that there may be variation between filters from different manufacturers though.

[JP] · Post by **[JP]** » Wed Mar 14, 2007 4:05 pm

Hmmmm

Ok.. So this morning I checked the oil level..and can't see nothing moving, looks like the oil is over the limitÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã‚Â¦ but that can't be possible can it?
I've only put 4,5L in, after removing what I think it was every bit of old oilÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã‚Â¦

Looking at that drawing maybe the oil filter is blocking the oil and that's why all the oil I have is sitting at the top?

The bike seems normal, no smell of burned oil, temperature is normal..and it doesn't smoke.
Me and a mate from work went out at lunch time for a ride and he was following me and he said he couldn't see any smokeÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã‚Â¦.

burty · Post by **burty** » Wed Mar 14, 2007 4:43 pm

If you have put in 4.5 litres then there's a good chance it's overful.

Theoretical capacity is 4.2 litres.

Rock the bike from left to right to see if you can see the top of the oil.

[JP] · Post by **[JP]** » Wed Mar 14, 2007 4:52 pm

Done that.. Can't see the top of the oilÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã‚Â¦

Weird thing is.. When I toped it up it was showing the correct level..and then I checked 3 or 4 times on the following days and it was fine.
Since I saw this thread I went to check again and looks like it's too much oil in there..

What should I do?
Drain a bit of oil and then top it up again to the specified level?
I've only changed the oil week and half ago..

Shifty · Post by **Shifty** » Wed Mar 14, 2007 5:05 pm

A bit to much oil is not a serious problem since its not a wetsump system.
But if ya feel uncomfortable about it drain a bit.
I drive always on the full side of the glass, no problems so far.

Now dont get paranoid over the oil issue JP.

Just try to check the level always in the same way coz diff routines give often diff levels.

[JP] · Post by **[JP]** » Wed Mar 14, 2007 5:31 pm

Shifty.. Too late mate, I'm already paranoid..

Specially since I read that as it's a dry sump sometimes it can show no oil in there but in fact you have itÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã‚Â¦
I have to work my head around it cause I love the bikeÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã‚Â¦ don't know why I didn't get a TRX sooner...

Shifty · Post by **Shifty** » Wed Mar 14, 2007 6:16 pm

[JP] wrote:Shifty.. Too late mate, I'm already paranoid..

Specially since I read that as it's a dry sump sometimes it can show no oil in there but in fact you have itÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã‚Â¦

Better then the other way around m8.

Post by **Max** » Thu Mar 15, 2007 12:01 am

4.5 is too much. I'd drain a bit off if I were you.

I don't think it would cause too much trouble, but by decreasing the volume of air in the crankcase you run the risk of surging at high rpms. The stock crankcase breather on the top of the valve cover isn't as big as it looks. As said above this is more of and issue on wet sump engines but just to be safe...

[JP] · Post by **[JP]** » Thu Mar 15, 2007 12:06 am

I know I did say 4.5 L, but IÃƒâ€šÃ‚Â´m not sure to be honest...
I put the 3L as recommended and then just toped it up till the level was just a bit over the limit..

but i suppose it wonÃƒâ€šÃ‚Â´t do any harm if I drain a bit of oil and then top it up again.. I still have one bottle left and itÃƒâ€šÃ‚Â´s better to be safe than sorry..

I just donÃƒâ€šÃ‚Â´t understand how come it was on the correct level for a week and now itÃƒâ€šÃ‚Â´s over the top, or as it look like it is...

wonÃƒâ€šÃ‚Â´t I run the risk of doing exaclty the same?
Drain a bit of oil, then top it up to the level...will be fine for some days and then will show again over the top...

Shifty · Post by **Shifty** » Thu Mar 15, 2007 8:39 am

Kirk · Post by **Kirk** » Thu Mar 15, 2007 11:00 am

Two things I've noticed,
1. I think the bike is supposed to be standing when you check the oil window, i.e. stand on the right side of the bike and hold the right bar and the seat, pull it up then crouch to check the window;
2. Once or twice I've drained the oil but missed the second sump plug on the left, hence only about 3L of the old stuff drained out!

They could be causing the overfilling?

[JP] · Post by **[JP]** » Thu Mar 15, 2007 11:16 am

Well.. that's the way I check the level.. with the bike straight...

Also I think all the oil came out..
I did it with the bike warm, first I removed the plug on the left, then I removed the plug near the oil filter.....and then the oil filter.

So... I think all the oil came out..

The thing is..if it will go up just like that with no apparent reason, as I said, I can drain and then top up to the level...and then it will happen again the same.

Post by **phuk72** » Thu Mar 15, 2007 12:51 pm

Just to clarify - you are checking the oil height on a level surface when the oil is warm?