Shocking...

dfh · Post by **dfh** » Thu Sep 13, 2007 5:10 pm

billy budge wrote:WHOAH!!!! Who the hell rattled your cage dude.

I bow to your superior knowledge of all things suspension and must apologise for expressing my opinion and will stick to putting on transfers of all my favourite things in the world on my trx.

Sillyboy.

Still waiting for some feedback on the Maxton shock you fitted on your TRX. You have replaced your shock with a Maxton product haven't you?

Resounding silence....

pass the boy a box of tissues

DFH

billy budge · Post by **billy budge** » Thu Sep 13, 2007 7:37 pm

HA HA nice one sweetheart.

I cant ever recall saying i had replaced my shock using maxton or that you had ever used them???

However my bro, who races in the sv650 series, owns his own race tuning/race prepping workshop (sdc performance) specialising in suspension setups and before he was authorised to stock/install/service ohlins suspension parts, he sent most bikes to maxton and never heard anything but positive outcomes.
The point is if you dont ask you dont get, website homepages cant possibly explain every little detail to cater to every single individual person that looks at the site can they??? I personally had my shock rebuilt by my bro and is far from stock.

Hope that satisfies mate, im not actually a rep for maxton by the way.

youngy · Post by **youngy** » Thu Sep 13, 2007 8:50 pm

So Billy what deal can you get me for an Ohlins shock? Hmmm??????

And do SDC have a dyno?

billy budge · Post by **billy budge** » Thu Sep 13, 2007 9:19 pm

You know what mate ive been working on the tight fecker since trixy(think it was trixy who asked me!!??), asked me around the start of this year!!!

I wanted him to host a trx dyno shootout day, based in stevenage, and he has promised me sometime next year that he will finally bite the bullet and give in to it.

To be fair he now has sooo much business in race season aswell as rebuilds in the winter and racing himself that he doesnt have a great deal of downtime. I will pester him again about a price on a ohlins shock as ive been on at him for one for myself since he has been a stockist, brothers being brothers, he just likes seeing me suffer!!

youngy · Post by **youngy** » Thu Sep 13, 2007 9:31 pm

You could point out to him how much more you'd suffer if I got one cheap!!!

dfh · Post by **dfh** » Fri Sep 14, 2007 1:09 am

billy budge wrote:HA HA nice one sweetheart.

The point is if you dont ask you dont get, website homepages cant possibly explain every little detail to cater to every single individual person that looks at the site can they??? I personally had my shock rebuilt by my bro and is far from stock.

Hope that satisfies mate, im not actually a rep for maxton by the way.

Point #1

I was encouraging Trixynut to ask... remember this "Firstly how do Maxton "revalve" a damper rod fork? There is no fekkin valve in there in the first place. Ask the spokes-model from Maxton what you actually get for your 250 pommy pounds?"
In my posts I gave specific information for what I found worked. It may not work for others, but its what worked for me. Knowledge is power.

Point #2

Its like getting blood out of a stone.... will you please

give us the hard data on what your brother did to your shock and how you feel about the results.

How heavy are you?
What spring rate did he select?
Did he do any internal work on the shock?
Has he done any fork work for you? Springs? Damping?
Are you happy with the results?
Now that he is an Ohlins stockist, what do the Swedes recommend about spring rates for the rear unit vis a 95kg rider?

Its time to write a post other readers of this thread can actually benefit from reading.

DFH

devlin · Post by **devlin** » Fri Sep 14, 2007 2:28 am

billy budge · Post by **billy budge** » Fri Sep 14, 2007 1:12 pm

Ok ego boy i will lower myself to your level this one time, im not usually one to justify myself to know it all types that throw their superior knowledge in your face at the drop of a hat but if it makes you feel better about yourself then im only too happy to help.

I had the shock serviced, the piston rod nitride coated(was slightly pitted from road salt) and had a progressive spring fitted (hyperpro). Im happy with the shock but its only used on the roads not tracks so internal work was unnecessary.
I weigh 82kg and found the stock spring too hard and had no response in it, so bro recommended progressive spring.
He also said that for the labour and money involved in internal work eg revalving, you may as well fit a racing unit like ohlins, penske, hyperpro. On the road ohlins etc are to hard for most conditions and only suited to race circuits, thats why most tt running machines run bog standard road settings on shocks.
He hasnt done any fork work as i fitted 98 R1 forks so all that was needed was a bit of fettling to match the front up to the rear.
As for ohlins recommendations for a 95kg rider (hit the treadmill!!) they dont provide figures as they say its all down to how the rider moves and handles the bike around a track or road, rider on bike testing is recommended before installing a unit. However their ballpark figure is a 10 to 10.5kg spring for the average 95kg rider.

dfh · Post by **dfh** » Sat Sep 15, 2007 1:27 pm

billy budge wrote:As for ohlins recommendations for a 95kg rider....their ballpark figure is a 10 to 10.5kg spring for the average 95kg rider.

Bingo.... so if the Ohlins recommendations confirm the information I volunteered in my first post does that;

a) expose the bullshit from for Maxtons for what it is. A warning that got you so wound up you got all defensive over a company you have nothig do do with in the first place

b) expose you as the egoist for your cynical response to my efforts to help inform a fellow lister before he dropped too much cash on unsuitabe products.

or c) expose Ohlins as a minor player that knows about as much as some bloke in the colonies

Let the list vote.....

BTW you my weigh 82kg standing on the bathroom scales with your knob in your hand, but I tend to ride with boots, leathers, backprotector, helmet and other items of clothing hence the 95kg rider weight...

As for this crap....

He also said that for the labour and money involved in internal work eg revalving, you may as well fit a racing unit like ohlins, penske, hyperpro. On the road ohlins etc are to hard for most conditions and only suited to race circuits

Firstly having experienced the WP and Ohlins shocks fitted to a SV650 and Tuono owned by my mates I can assure you both companies sell shocks suitable for road use, that they are superior to my revalved and resprung stock shock. I would, if I could afford to do so, buy similar equipment but the bottom line is that they may be 25-30% better than my shock, they also cost 3 times as much as what I spent on modifying what I had..... now if you check that was Trixynuts original question, wasn't it

Oh, and while I'm having so much fun wallowing in superior knowledge why would anyone fit a progressivly wound spring to a shock fitted to a progressive linkage.....

DFH

Greg · Post by **Greg** » Sat Sep 15, 2007 5:28 pm

Ok - I'm selling ringside tickets now...

G

Post by **Jak** » Sat Sep 15, 2007 6:25 pm

I'll bring a beer and join you Greg.

@dfh/billy - keep it friendly or I'll have to jump in the ring and referee

(bloody hell - twice in one week!!!)

billy budge · Post by **billy budge** » Sat Sep 15, 2007 6:49 pm

My my my what a bitter and twisted little man you are, i really do hope some of your fellow aussies will help pull that pole from out of your arse!!!
Ive never met a bloke so far up his own arse that he reckons he knows more than the most well known suspension specialists in england, dude you need to seriously lose the chip and get a sense of humour/life!!!

If infact you read my original comment with a true aussie sense of humour you would have noticed that it was all a tiny little bit of sledging, nothing to question your obviously all knowing intelligence as you have wrongly picked up on. I have never proclaimed that i know the ins and outs of suspension set ups as why would i buy a dog and bark myself??

As for ohlins they told me if i spoke to you again to thank you for supplying them with all the correct setup info and said without you and your infinite wisdom, their top position in the suspension world would simply have never happened.

You are simply my hero dfh and i will try harder to be more like you, i shall go now and tell my brother that he has failed me and to re assess my rear shock situation.

pwmotorsports · Post by **pwmotorsports** » Sat Sep 15, 2007 10:51 pm

yeah ok handbags aside for a moment, Ive found in the past with all my past bikes a set of springs front and rear make such a huge difference being that im 125KG i find most bikes a bit soft some dont hamper me to much some do the front on the TRX seems the weak point for me so ive changed oil level and kept OE wt oil in it but the rear seems ok to me so would suggest its prob way to hard for most ? I use Ktech springs on my crf450r and there great but not used them on the road anyone care to share any road spring makers ?

youngy · Post by **youngy** » Sat Sep 15, 2007 10:54 pm

Ohlins for straight rate. Most others are progressive....WP, Hagon, Wilbers, Promoto

pwmotorsports · Post by **pwmotorsports** » Sat Sep 15, 2007 11:03 pm

and can anyone point me in the right direction for a 125kg rider what wt springs are best suited ?