another daft question

Omegaman · Post by **Omegaman** » Tue Oct 23, 2007 8:17 pm

i have bought a set of blue spot calipers and wondered as im putting on either goodridge or hel hoses do i just buy the kit as standard for a TRX or do i need to inform the shop im putting on blue spot kits aswell

will they be a direct fit basically

trixynut · Post by **trixynut** » Tue Oct 23, 2007 8:34 pm

As far as I remember, I put on HEL braided lines, then put on Blue Spots sometime after and used the same brake lines.

It's more important to get TRX-specific lines so they are the right lengths. As blue spots are yamaha, fittings are the same as for the standard trx calipers so no need to tell Goodridge/HEL/Earls/whoever.

But, wait for someone else on here to confirm/tell me I'm talking bollox before going ahead and ordering....!

Dave

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Omegaman · Post by **Omegaman** » Tue Oct 23, 2007 8:47 pm

ha ha okay makes sense though

youngy · Post by **youngy** » Tue Oct 23, 2007 9:04 pm

Depends.

ThunderCat and ThunderAce calipers have the banjo in the same place as the TRX and stock hoses need only a small tweak on the fitting to allow the banjo bolt to be properly tightened.

R1 style calipers have the banjo on the side and the origianl fitment style hoses have to be twisted 90 degrees to fit on. If you're fitting these type of caliper and getting new hoses then order the hoses with R1 style ends.

Having said all that, unless you're fitting the smaller master cylinder, don't go for braided hoses. The brakes end up being very on/off.

trixynut · Post by **trixynut** » Tue Oct 23, 2007 9:12 pm

ThunderCat and ThunderAce calipers have the banjo in the same place as the TRX and stock hoses need only a small tweak on the fitting to allow the banjo bolt to be properly tightened.

..mine must be ones like this then (look under Members Rides on Trixynut to see them) but pretty sure I didn't 'tweek'the lines at all: just bolted straight on.

Having said all that, unless you're fitting the smaller master cylinder, don't go for braided hoses. The brakes end up being very on/off.

..nope, don't agree: blue spots/braided are perfectly fine feel-wise and much better than blue spots/rubber lines, and much much better than standard calipers with rubber or braided lines.

youngy · Post by **youngy** » Tue Oct 23, 2007 9:13 pm

i'm surprised you disagree Dave - it's what you told me when I was doing mine.

wrt to tweaking the fittings, I've fitted bluespots to 3 of my TRX's. Two had oe hoses and one HEL. All needed a slight bend on the fitting.

Red Rex · Post by **Red Rex** » Tue Oct 23, 2007 9:16 pm

IMHO ... I have blue spots with braided hoses (from the original grey calipers) Fitted the blue-spots without any problems whatsoever & the brakes give me all the feel I need. Standard rubber hoses surely 'balloon' ALL the time so you will suffer lack of feel ???

youngy · Post by **youngy** » Tue Oct 23, 2007 9:18 pm

Yes I'm sure you would, unless they are reasonably young.

The smaller master cylinder is a great improvemnt with braided hoses.

trixynut · Post by **trixynut** » Tue Oct 23, 2007 9:26 pm

Martin,

Hmm, don't recall: was I trying to sell you something at the time?? (JOKE!

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There's no doubt braided/blues are 'sharp' but not 'unintentional-stoppie' sharp: feel is still there.

I've got a standard master cylinder.

Dave

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Omegaman · Post by **Omegaman** » Tue Oct 23, 2007 9:37 pm

right so im fitting blue spots which im told are R6

and probably goodridge hoses as i have used them before and a standard trx kit with my standard master cylinder

cheers everybody for your input

Greg · Post by **Greg** » Tue Oct 23, 2007 9:49 pm

My five eggsworth ...

I fitted blue spots, Goodridge hoses, cast iron discs (sorry Martin!) and a Lucas radial master cylinder...

My experience is that the later Goodridge hoses with the hex fittings are adustable - simply loosen the fitting a quarter turn, rotate the banjo until it's right and nip it up again... clearly the older crimped hoses are fixed...

With this setup, the brakes are very progressive, bags of feel, very responsive and with two fingers pressure can get the front to the point of lock-up.

Sadly my piss-poor suspension set up means the front is chattering like fek at hard braking and my balls aren't big enough for stoppies...

HTH

Greg

Omegaman · Post by **Omegaman** » Tue Oct 23, 2007 9:49 pm

just had a look at the photo and the fitment for the banjo is mounted at the top on the side , So that is R1 then Not R6??

just like these ones i found http://www.m1salvageandbreakers.co.uk/b ... lipers.jpg

and i guessing i need to order differnt banjo ends as martin has said

youngy · Post by **youngy** » Tue Oct 23, 2007 9:59 pm

they are R1. I put a pair on with HEL hoses and had to kink the hoses to fit. wasn't happy with them like that so got rid and fitted Cat calipers.

Dave (Trixynut) I'm bloody sure you said you had an R6 master cylinder when I was at your place. I must be losing it. Apologies if I have done you a dis-service (but I still say the 5/8 master is too big and lacks feel with braided lines and bluespots - so there!)

Wombat · Post by **Wombat** » Wed Oct 24, 2007 6:39 am

I fitted carbon look HEL lines with gold banjos.
Ordered them as TRX length, but mentioned they were for R6 calipers.
Came back perfect. Been on the bike for 3-4 years now. No probs.
Got an R6 master cylinder waiting in the wings and will put it on one day (I'm a lazy sod!

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Bob

TonyDevil · Post by **TonyDevil** » Wed Oct 24, 2007 10:58 am

omega
i ran bluespots on my TDM with original hoses and they were great
i had to bleed the system at one point coz i fuk't up (long story) and decided to fit the set of braided hoses i had in the garage
the brakes are now TOO sharp for normal road use, i can lock the wheel with 2 fingers
my TRX brakes are still standard, i have braided lines & a set of blue spots in the garage, i will not be fitting both
i would seriously suggest only doing one or the other and see if you are happy with that before replacing the whole system